Deadbeat at dawn

One last job separates the leader of the Ravens gang from an early retirement. When he finds his girlfriend beaten to death by members of a rival gang, he seeks revenge, knowing that he may be dead by dawn. Will more blood bring her back?

Austin Lugo: before we get started today. Next speaker are being watching. The grave of the fireflies. I wanted to watch an animated film because we have not watched animated film for the podcast and well over a year now, and I probably haven't watched an animated film myself in well over a year. I can't think of the last animated film I've watched.

What's your last animated film? You

Andrew Harp: saw that a Pinocchio movie, right?

Austin Lugo: Oh yeah. It's not animated though. That's claymation. I feel like that's different. It's animated different. I mean that's not different. I think it counts. I guess it was made by the people who did, uh, fantastic. Mr. Fox. Everyone looks like puppets.

It's disturbing. Well

Andrew Harp: talk about it. I think it counts, but maybe you haven't seen a handmade 2D animated

Austin Lugo: movie in a while. I've probably seen a couple other animated films. Honestly. Yeah, I just haven't thought about it. Like some something with my sister or something. Mm-hmm. . I dunno. But anyways, that's what we're gonna watch next week.

Get excited. . Yeah, . This week we're watching the infamous deadbeat at Dawn. Infamous, no. Could be infamous to somebody,

Andrew Harp: I guess. Yeah, sure. You

Austin Lugo: picked this movie. Why'd you pick this movie, Andrew? I think I

Andrew Harp: saw it on Letterbox a while ago. I saw a lot of people that I follow, enjoyed. It seemed good. A little different than other movies we've watched recently.

Different than the last movie, but

Austin Lugo: yeah. If you could describe this movie in one sentence, how would you describe it? It's

Andrew Harp: scuzzy. And, uh, the second half of the movie in particular is like, this isn't, this isn't really a sentence, but I, I was thinking about this. Like the second half of the movie is like, maybe even like the last, like third of the movie.

It feels like the embodiment or the visual interpretation almost of a rapid dog that's chasing after you. It's got foam and even like blood all over, its. That's how like the last maybe half or third of the movie feels the beginning. I would say maybe like the first half is good, it's a little silly, and then it keeps ramping up and up in intensity very quickly.

That's how I would say the trajectory of the movie is from a broad point of view, .

Austin Lugo: It's a very low budget Clockwork Orange esque,

Andrew Harp: I guess. Yeah, the gang stuff is kind of, yeah, I was thinking of the

Austin Lugo: Warriors. Yeah. It has very warrior-like vibes to it. Also had some of the vibes of Julius Caesar. No, Julius Caesar.

Uh, we watched it for the podcast. Black Caesar. No. Yeah, you're thinking of Black Caesar. Okay. Yeah. I kept thinking of that movie. For whatever reason, this movie

Andrew Harp: feels like Jim Van Bber, who is the writer, director star. It feels like he saw the Warriors in Mad Max and it was like, yeah, I'm gonna make that in Dayton.

I don't know if he's from Dayton or not. He was at least probably living in Dayton at the time. Yeah, the movie's filmed in Dayton, Ohio, which is amazing. I love so sketchy. It's such a dirty, fucked up looking city, obviously. Like they're probably scouted, like those locations, right? Like the most wor the worst places.

Sure. But there's like no green, there's no grass, there's barely any trees e everywhere that they go, it just looks kind of shitty. . No offense to people from who live in Dayton, Ohio. ,

Austin Lugo: I'm sure it's a wonderful town. Anywhere in the Midwest in the middle of the winter is a bit scuzzy, a bit miserable. I mean, I don't think you see the sun once this movie.

It's just cold and cloudy and

Andrew Harp: crummy everywhere. The movie also doesn't have a sunny disposition. I'll say that. I'll say that, . But yeah, I love the loca. I love the day in Ohio. Locations is perfect. The location scouting that they do and the places that they go, it looks as good as any. Walter Hill, you know, streets of Fire, warriors movie.

It's obviously low budget, so it has that going for it. It's not as like fucking, you know, vivid as like the Warriors or Streets of Fire, but the look of the movie in terms of like where they go and the spaces that they use, they look about as good, I would say, given their limitations.

Austin Lugo: Absolutely. And the movie opens on the prota.

Girlfriend, partner person at a fortune teller or tarot reader? Yes,

Andrew Harp: part of the movie's. Interesting.

Austin Lugo: There's this sort of mystic thing going on, which I thought would be more involved in the movie. Like I thought there'd be more

Andrew Harp: mysticism. It's more in that when she's alive, right? Cuz she's in it into it.

Yes.

Austin Lugo: But there's no real mystic aspects to this film other than some of the stuff that she does other than going to see a fortune teller. Utilizing the

Andrew Harp: Ouija board and the scene when he goes to sleep in the cemetery later on too. When he dreams, it's a dream. But still That's

Austin Lugo: true. That dream sequence is pretty rat.

Andrew Harp: Yeah, but you're right. She goes to a fortune teller and she's like upset

Austin Lugo: and the fortune teller doesn't tell her what she wants to hear, shockingly. Oh no, no, it's not good news. And then this woman, before she leaves, she goes and blows out like six different candles. I mean, she blows up all the fucking, it's

Andrew Harp: so funny that she blows 'em all out.

There are some really un, unintentionally funny moments in the movie. Not as much as like maybe some people would expect. Mm-hmm. , it's really a very good, serious movie. But I love, like, you know, she blows out all the candles of the table and she gets up and behind her, like on the, uh, ledges are like 20 candles.

They're like 50 candles and I thought she was gonna like blow out each, so did I candle? But no, she just like blows out a few and then leaves .

Austin Lugo: That's so funny. The thing about this movie, and I would say, Perhaps the weakest slash strongest point of this film is the editing at times can be a little all over the place.

At times it's very wild, insane. And then at other times, scenes will go on much longer than they probably should. Really.

Andrew Harp: I guess the candle blowing out thing was a little funny. ,

Austin Lugo: I mean, I think there's a couple of. That candle blowing ask in which, not that it's bad by any means, but just that it's a bit amateurish, you know, young filmmaker, student filmmaker stuff.

I'm

Andrew Harp: thinking of like maybe like a scene or two as well that are just kind of like thrown in there. Like there's that one scene, remember where he steals that guy's motorcycle? Yeah. . That's not really, that has anything to do with the, the story or anything. It's. He's just kind of messing around, I guess.

Like he's having fun stealing people's motorcycles and stuff. Maybe it was to, uh, introduce the fact that he's really good at using nunchucks, that scene, , but it's still kind of like thrown in there. This

Austin Lugo: man has the greatest nunchuck skills, possibly of all time.

Andrew Harp: Bro. I was just thinking about this like, nunchucks are kind of like a lame weapon, right?

Yes. Like, you see 'em and you're just like, what the, like what? Like, how can you even use that in this movie though? It, it is legitimately cool. How awesome they make him look and how powerful he is with the nunchucks. It's amazing. I've never seen that in any other movie. I can't think of one. I haven't seen like a lot of martial arts movies.

There's probably some martial arts movies that really are probably way better than this. Yeah. But he's good , he, he like hits people in the head and stuff. So Good. That would hurt.

Austin Lugo: I have never seen anyone utilize nunchucks to the degree that this man does in this movie. And just his karate skills in general.

They're almost superheroes. He's really cool. .

Andrew Harp: Yeah, I mentioned like The Warriors and Mad Max and stuff like that. Like that were influences that are clearly influenced, especially like the last part of Mad Max where he gets revenge. And first half of the movie reminds me of the Warriors with the silly gangs and.

martial arts movies are probably another big influence on him. I would have to guess. .

Austin Lugo: Yeah. This man has clearly studied the many martial arts. I mean, it's impressive. . Yeah, he's cool. Maybe a little over the top at times, but I do think at times there are scenes in this film, like the motorcycle. Where they're just trying to fill up space, so it can be a feature length film.

I think this film might have worked better as a 60 minute film. I mean, it's not long at all. It's only an hour and 20 minutes, so it goes by pretty quick. But even

Andrew Harp: so there's like one or two scenes maybe. Okay.

Austin Lugo: I think we could make the pacing even faster here and just be like, boom, boom, boom. But that's just me.

I would say that the

Andrew Harp: pacing really ramps up. Once you get into like the last half or third of the movie, that's where like things are kind of like incredible and, and we'll get to that. We'll get to that. I like the scene in the beginning where they go to the cemetery to fight . That scene is very silly to me.

It's

Austin Lugo: a wild scene. They basically are gonna do a one v. They're battling gangs. The

Andrew Harp: spiders and the, what was the, I don't know. Goose is the main character. I'm trying to think of the gang that Goose is in. I think it's called the, the Ravens.

Austin Lugo: So the spiders and ravens. They're doing a one V one kind of the leader of each.

Yeah. The

Andrew Harp: evil guy with the mustache.

Austin Lugo: The evil mustache, man. . And first they're gonna go one V one classic dual style guns. But they're like, no,

Andrew Harp: I like that. They have like these civil war rifles, like these, like World War II rifles. Yeah, sorry, continue.

Austin Lugo: But instead of the one V one, they decide that they're going to fight it out.

Via knife and they just cut the shit at each other. I mean, they're just throwing their knives.

Andrew Harp: It's a good introduction to the violence of the movie, ,

Austin Lugo: I would say. So they cut the shit out of their hands and faces just every part of their body. Blood's going everywhere.

Andrew Harp: It's a good fight, I'd say so. It's so fun.

Oh, another funny thing, I like the cop at the beginning. Remember that stops him from attacking an assaulting goose's girlfriend. Yes. . His cop outfit is so funny. It doesn't look real at all. It just looks like no costume and, but that's fine. That's fine. That's forgivable Anyway. Yeah. Goose wins, I guess so.

He was the last person standing. He doesn't lose, but he has to like go back to the apartment and heal because he is been like stabbed a couple times. Brutally. He's like pouring like alcohol all over himself and his girlfriend is helping him and all that. And , he has to endure this horrible, like pain, like in his hand and stuff like, It's kind of uh,

Austin Lugo: brutal.

I definitely vibe with all of the outdoor scenes. I didn't think they did some great location scouting in Dayton. The indoor scenes on their hand, I mean it's clear they just found like one of their apartments or houses. And just shot,

Andrew Harp: bro. We're gonna get to apartment later. That I love in the movie. I think all the apartments are fine.

Like it's like they look like apartments that these people would live

Austin Lugo: in. Yeah, no, I agree. They're just very empty in spare, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. It reflects the situations in which these. People are living in, but I just found a little harsh in lighting. It's clear that we don't have the best gaffers in the world on this set.

Andrew Harp: They use a lot of like red and green light, which is a little Christmasy for me, but I don't mind it like it's a little too, like, it's either like, kind of like harsh light maybe from like the room itself or like the sun or like these like red and green lights, which I think they use to its effect. But yeah, it's.

It's hard , .

Austin Lugo: I mean, it's not a big deal at the end of the day. It just makes the film look a little amateurish, a little student film

Andrew Harp: esque. But I love how the apartments look like. I love, just like ev, everything looks like completely fucked up and . It does. They like live in squalor, so

Austin Lugo: it's lovely. And Goose and his girly friend.

Are not getting along. They're getting in fights. They're pissed at each other. They're

Andrew Harp: angry. He wants to do gang shit. He wants to be a gang member guy. And she is like, like, can you stop ? Don't do that. , no, don't do that. And he, after he's healed, he's like, I gotta go check out the streets or whatever. And she's like, that's stupid as fuck.

you're really dumb. And he's like, whatever. And he leaves and then he goes like on these little, like he steals a motorcycle. It just kind of like does nothing for like a few minutes . And he practices nunchuck abilities in the cemetery. Does some karate moves. Yeah, he does some karate moves and then he goes back to see his girlfriend and she's really mad.

And they have a little fight. She's

Austin Lugo: pissed. He is clearly a karate master. An untuck master.

Andrew Harp: Yeah. You

Austin Lugo: can't bring him down. You can't be brought down. The actors definitely put. A hundred percent into this. Even if I didn't think anyone

Andrew Harp: was like particularly terrible. I thought everything was fine. I think it's all

Austin Lugo: passable.

I don't think it's necessarily the fault of the actors. I think some of the writing is a bit, it's not a hundred percent, but it gets the job done. Everyone does what they need to do. I think

Andrew Harp: it's all suitable. Yeah. I think their relationship works. I think it feels good enough anyway. Like Yeah, like they get into an argument again, and he promises to no longer be in the gang anymore.

He's gonna get outta the. No more, no more Nunchuck, no more any of that.

Austin Lugo: He goes and meets his number two, but his number two has become the number. He's been kicked outta the gang apparently, for whatever reason, because he's been gone for a while. I guess is why he's not.

Andrew Harp: Yeah, he is just like you're, you're lame cuz you have a girlfriend.

You have a girlfriend, which means you're like an idiot. We hate you. His buddy is now the leader of the Ravens and the spiders. I have joined forces with him, but that's okay. He goes to the woods, he goes to the nice location, the woods, which they picked a nice location. They have sex. I guess it's not that big a deal.

And then she also gives him that, uh, cross necklace too.

Austin Lugo: Yes. The mysticism comes back. Even though he doesn't believe in, he doesn't really go a fuck.

Andrew Harp: Nah, he's a go fuck. This thing kind of remind me of like, uh, that, uh, Clint Easton movie play Misty for me, where they go in the, uh, woods and they have sex this thingy of the same thing.

This is like the second movie where that's happened. I guess it happens often in many movies. It happens

Austin Lugo: a lot. People will be going to the woods. I mean, that's Shakespeare. I suppose you're right about that. People just love to go to the woods and have sex.

Andrew Harp: But yeah, goose is just like, I'm out. He's done.

But they're not done with

Austin Lugo: him. So at this point in the film, I'm trying to remember why he has to leave the apartment. B has to go. He's gonna

Andrew Harp: sell some Coke, right? He's gonna

Austin Lugo: sell some Coke. Because he's not in a gang anymore, but he's still, he's still selling coke. So he'd be doing that. And while he does that, he tells his girlfriend Lock the Door, which they just put like a, a pad lock basically on the outside of the door.

That is

Andrew Harp: so funny To

Austin Lugo: me. That means she's locked in there, like she cannot get out of her own home. Like there's no way.

Andrew Harp: Maybe these apartments suck so bad that they just don't have regular locks.

Austin Lugo: Shouldn't the lock be on the inside though? I don't

Andrew Harp: know. It's really rough out here.

Austin Lugo: I mean, it's almost as if they're living in a storage unit, which I guess they could be.

There's no like windows or anything.

Andrew Harp: Yeah. I mean like these apartments could be anything. Who knows what they are? Where they are? Yeah. Every apartment that you go into is just disgusting . It does not look good,

Austin Lugo: but he. And she does her Ouija board thing. And she's like, is is he gonna die tonight? Is someone gonna kill him?

That's such a good ass scene. It's one of my favorite scenes. Cause we YouTube board's like, nah, he's good man. What about me? She's gonna be brutally murdered. And you're like, ah, shit. And

Andrew Harp: right before that too, of course it ramps up to the guys breaking into the apartment because the evil mustache guy tells two of his dudes like, Kill Goose and they're like, okay.

And then he like punches his pregnant girlfriend. Remember that? Yeah. Which is a very random kind of scene that Deborah pays off or anything like that. It's just, I guess to show how evil and like not nice he is. She's like, I'm pregnant, and he's like, wow. And then he punches her in the face, whatever, I guess.

You get that really great monologue from the really crazy, uh, beard Did Guy.

Austin Lugo: That guy's fucking

Andrew Harp: insane. He's a great actor. He's, he's legitimately crazy. Yes. Where he's like, I, I hate people. I don't care. You know, he, he's like a monologue about how much he hates people and how much he doesn't mind killing people at all.

He loves it. Very

Austin Lugo: good . He's like, there's nothing better than killing a man. Like, that's the greatest feeling in the world. It's

Andrew Harp: scary. And you're like, oh my God. Goose's girlfriend was going to die. Like she's, it's over with .

Austin Lugo: He also has this weird obsession with snakes, which comes back quite a few times in the movie.

I don't know what it is with snakes, but he loves

Andrew Harp: snakes. It's the intestines thing. Remember that, uh, thing that he says? Yeah. He's

Austin Lugo: also got like snakes

Andrew Harp: and shit. Yeah. I don't know. He's kind of like with that snakes, I think he, he has that one snake. I think he's just like teasing goose. Mm-hmm. in a very.

Kind of roundabout way, I guess. . Yeah, I think it weird. It works. That's weird enough,

Austin Lugo: I think. Yeah. in character, it's definitely something that character would do. Yeah, a

Andrew Harp: absolutely. Like he sells a Coke to the guy and the guy's like, why do you care? I'm gonna sell it to kids And . I like that. That's a good line of dialogue.

There's some really good lines, like I'm gonna sell it to kids and. I forget what was the second thing? He's like, why do you care? Why do you fucking care? And he is like, okay. He walks away and then he gets back and like his girlfriend is fucking destroyed by the two crazy guys

Austin Lugo: who just brutally beat her to death with a golf club and a bat.

They just,

Andrew Harp: they don't even have a gun. No. , I think they add like smushy sounds. Yes. When like he goes into like pick. They'll be like, no, you could hear like, like these, like goopy sounds. I think to show that like her intestines have been like ripped out of her or something like that. You don't see anything.

They don't like do anything, but they add their sounds in , like, what the fuck is that sound? ?

Austin Lugo: It's wild. And he picks his girlfriend up. He's all sad, he's crying and he just takes her to the trash compact. And just throws her in. That doesn't make any

Andrew Harp: sense. I was also very confused about that. I love it.

Like I love that detail. I would never change it, but it is very, very weird and funny. , he doesn't bury her. He throws her in a trash compactor. Is that just

Austin Lugo: what you do? Like it's very just like, this is what you do. I've never

Andrew Harp: seen that before. It's unexplained. Yeah. He's just like, yep, she dies, so I gotta put her in the trash compactor.

I don't know. It's very strange . It's a little confusing, but I don't mind it. It's very Dayton, Ohio. So I'm, I'm okay with it. But yeah, he throws her in the trash compactor and Goose is completely devastated. And so he decides to go and see his father at his apartment. He

Austin Lugo: breaks into his father's apartment and he breaks into a lot of apartments.

In this film, there is a lot of climbing up. Fire escapes, like mini se, many, many

Andrew Harp: scenes. He's very athletic guy too, by the way. Very athletic man.

Austin Lugo: Quite the gymnast. He's climbing up fucking fire escapes left and right, very impress. And so he breaks into his father's house and his father is a alcoholic heroin addict.

Just this awful human being. He's amazing. Great performance. Great

Andrew Harp: performance

Austin Lugo: from this man, . I love the dad. It took me a minute to figure out that it was his dad. You have to take a bit of context from things, but you

Andrew Harp: get it. He says, dad, but you know, it's, it's, it is a low budget movie. It's kinda hard to.

And yeah, he's just like, I need to stay here, dad, da da da da. He's like, you got money, you got money. Like, and then like he'll, he gets heroin. He is like shooting up and stuff. And I like the part where he's like, dad, you really wanna know what happened to me. My girlfriend died. And he like tells the whole story about how his girlfriend died and then his dad is like, Do you have any money?

He doesn't, he isn't paying attention.

Austin Lugo: He gives a very good heroin addict performance where he is just like, I don't, I don't give a shit about anything. Like I'm just here for the heroin man, just here for

Andrew Harp: the money. Yeah, please. You have some money, please. I need it. Yeah. I like when he is like busting into his room while he is sleeping.

He's like, You can't ask any questions. I need your money. . That's a, it's a crazy perform. It's a really good performance. Really great character. It's sad. Yeah. And this apartment, too is particularly

Austin Lugo: scuzzy, such a gross apartment. And this man, it's like an abandoned apartment. Ugh. Yeah. And he puts a needle between his toes.

Cause that's what heroin addicts do. It's so

Andrew Harp: gross. That

Austin Lugo: makes me cringe. Ugh. Yes. I hate watching people put needles and I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't

Andrew Harp: like it either. It's particularly gross because when he does it, blood SLTs out. Yes. Oh God. . Oh my God. They really nail it. . I go like cringe. It is.

Ugh.

Austin Lugo: Like Goose is not into it. He's not having a good time. He's pissed off. Yeah. He's having a terrible time. He's just absolutely m. His girlfriend's dead. The gang doesn't want him. No one wants this man.

Andrew Harp: He's super punished. Yeah, the

Austin Lugo: world hates him. So he goes out and goes on a bender. Basically, he gets super drunk at a bar, which the bar one of my favorite locations in the film.

Great bar. Very red . So much red, very

Andrew Harp: red . You know, like we said, when they're inside, they like the red. I like the red in the bar. It kind of like feels, you know, like neon sign to me. Mm-hmm. . So I'm okay with that. Yeah. It's fun. Yeah. He like messing around with his girl and she's like getting angry at him and he almost gets into a fight and he's super drunk and he gets, he basically kicks himself out and he's kind of pathetic, just kind of roaming around.

Austin Lugo: He's stumbling through the streets and he plops down in an alley. With a gun and he sits across from what you can only assume is a homeless man or, or some sort of addict of some kind.

Andrew Harp: Yeah. He's so punished. This part of the movie's. Good. I like the editing at this part cuz he is like really, like he's really about to do

Austin Lugo: it.

You know? This man holds a gun. He's like, I'm gonna kill myself. And the guy's like, oh, okay. Yeah. He's

Andrew Harp: like, what are you gonna do with that gun? He's like, I'm gonna shoot myself. Like, oh, okay.

Austin Lugo: That's cool. I love his reaction. Best reaction of all time. Yeah. He's so

Andrew Harp: funny, dude. It's so good. I love it. He's like, okay.

You see him too? You do. You do see a shot where he shoots himself in the head. It's great and just like so much blood. A lot of blood in the movie. I mean that's goes without saying .

Austin Lugo: They definitely didn't skimp out on the blood here. Yeah.

Andrew Harp: They're just kinda like, what if like warriors in like Mad Max in those movies?

What if they just had more blood? Like why not have like more blood?

Austin Lugo: Why not ? Yeah. Why not make those movies more violent? Because I feel like those movies just weren't violent enough.

Andrew Harp: Honestly, those movies aren't that violent. I mean, mad Max is like maybe violent for like the last like 10 minutes, I guess.

Yeah. Warriors. I

Austin Lugo: mean, it's more of the idea of violence than any actual violence,

Andrew Harp: if I'm remembering correctly, there's not like a lot of bloody gore or anything like that. No. This one doesn't really do anything off.

Austin Lugo: So Goose is over it. He's like, I'm gonna shoot myself in the head. Holds the gun to his head right before he shoots himself, the leader of the gang.

The ravens, yeah. Stops him. He's like, no, you can't shoot yourself,

Andrew Harp: you idiot. I hate you, . He's like, I hate you. You can't kill yourself

Austin Lugo: yet. I don't care if you kill yourself, but you can't do it because I need you. You got one less

Andrew Harp: job for you. And by the. Here's a guy that killed your girlfriend, . This scene is like a, feels so rabid when he like tries to fight and kill the mustache guy.

It really does legitimately feel really rough and tumble them just kind of like fighting and they beat up goose and then Goose gets up again to fight them. can't be stopped. Yeah, he really, really wants to kill him. It doesn't seem like a very good idea, but I guess he's just, it's a terrible idea, but they're just like, We need you Goose, like we need more guys or whatever they need

Austin Lugo: goose karate skills.

Right.

Andrew Harp: And now as we know, like the ultimate plan anyway for the spiders is to kill all the ravens. So I'm sure they're just kind of like, eh, we're gonna kill 'em anyway. We might as well go ahead and, you know, use him to get like a bunch of money. That's fine.

Austin Lugo: So their plan is to rob an armored car and steal all the money.

It's proto heat, it is . And so they all get together. Both sides. They're all angry. They're all upset with each other. Yeah. But they're gonna do it. They're gonna come together for this one final mission and they go over the plan kind of. They vaguely go over the plan, but everyone's got their part and then they rob the armored truck.

Goose pulls out some ninja stars. .

Andrew Harp: Yeah. I don't know if Goose kills anyone.

Austin Lugo: He throws the ninja star at the guy in the head. I mean, I don't think it kills the security guard that

Andrew Harp: was a gang member. Oh, no, no, no. I know what you're talking about. No, yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He fucking ropes down

Austin Lugo: from like the top

Andrew Harp: of the building about that

Austin Lugo: and pulls out one of his many different, he's got, he's so cool. He's got all of these weapons

Andrew Harp: that really did look like he propelled down. That really did look like a, at least, like, at least like two or three, four stories.

Austin Lugo: It's very impressive.

This man fucking

Andrew Harp: tied a rope and that moment in the movie is. 10 seconds. Yeah. it, it looked dangerous and you know, he, he, he really did it for that shot. It's amazing.

Austin Lugo: He propels down and he throws an ninja into star right at the security guard's forehead, perfect shot. And all the group comes in and they fucking murder the security guard.

A couple other people get shot and killed. And they take the money like it's, it's a very quick, just like we did it, like they just go and rob it. It just happens.

Andrew Harp: I like to, they steal a hundred thousand dollars. It's like, oh, in one bag. This is kind of funny cuz it's like, oh, I mean only a hundred thousand dollars, like guys killed like two people and well, inflation I guess.

Yeah, a hundred thousand is quite a bit, but I don't know. I feel like even at the time, whatever. Anyway. , they're celebrating, they're having a good time. They're out there like den that has like mm-hmm. , Playboy pins and like graffiti everywhere. And goose, you know, he's kind of like apprehensive, right? Cuz he is, he doesn't trust the spiders.

And you know, his buddy, the leader is just like, fucking idiot. Like, you shouldn't worry, you know, it's all gonna be okay. Yeah, whatever. But we do know that their plan is to kill the ravens, kill every single one of 'em. Mm-hmm. , they split up into their. Areas and now they're gonna meet together to split up the money, I guess.

Yeah. But

Austin Lugo: they're going on the spider's turf and Right. The leader of the Ravens, like we can't bring in weapons like this supposed to be a friendly, you know, trade off. They hand us our half the money, it all goes away. So no one brings weapons except of course. Goose who is just packed to the brim. Yeah.

Andrew Harp: He's got . He's got so many stuff. . He's so cool. He's like, I'm packing .

Austin Lugo: He doesn't trust anyone. So they go and meet the spiders and it's exactly what Goose thinks it is. It's a trap and the spiders just lay hell. They got their machine gun. And they just start murdering everyone.

Andrew Harp: They kill everybody. They kill like all of the guys.

Austin Lugo: They kill

Andrew Harp: everyone. But Goose, goose is able to like throw a couple knives and shoot a couple people in the head and he's able to like steal the money and run away with the whole gang, like chasing after him. It's very fun. I think he like ropes. He like has like a chain and he like flies around and stuff.

Yeah, and he runs away. He gets the hell out of there. They go in a bit of a chase. He's getting chased

Austin Lugo: by a car, and he jumps off of a bridge, falls into the

Andrew Harp: water . You really do see him jump. You see him jump off. It's

Austin Lugo: pretty wild. They're running around. Everyone's dying, car crashes, all kinds of fun shits going on.

Andrew Harp: He goes to gas station .

Austin Lugo: That scene is wild. This man walks into a gas station and he just sets down a hundred thousand dollars. Like he just puts it on the ground. And he gets himself a soda and the guy's like, you gotta pay for it. And instead of just paying him, you know, one of the many hundreds of thousands of dollars this man has, he threatens to murder him for no particular reason.

This poor gas station owner. And then comes perhaps the greatest line in all of cinema where a , a boy and his grandmother, probably like a 20 year old boy, is sitting in a car with his grandmother at this gas station and. Boy says to his grandma, he says, grandma, give me your gun. Shoot him in the head.

What a wild

Andrew Harp: moment. Just completely, I guess it's outta like outta nowhere. Things in Dayton really suck lately. Like everybody is like on edge and super violent. You know, you and they kill the attendant. They killed the guy working at the gas station. They murder

Austin Lugo: him. They murder the hell out. They're so funny.

Andrew Harp: like, they're like, shoot him with that

Austin Lugo: and, and Goose runs away. That's, he's

Andrew Harp: a little. But it's good. Yeah. Goose is like, oh fuck, and he runs . He, well, he doesn't even say

Austin Lugo: anything. He just leaves. And then the scene after that. Also, another very strange scene in the film. Amen. Great. Scene is eating breakfast at a diner, and he orders two breakfasts.

There was two breakfasts. It's a oddly long scene, and he is eating his

Andrew Harp: breakfast. I like the scene too, but the scene before this is when he goes into the cemetery. Oh, and the wild dream sequence. Yeah. Yeah. Which we talked about. But yeah, I mean, that's a great scene where it's just has great editing. I think the editing in the scene, he sees like his, like girlfriend, like wearing the bloody sheets, walking and, and then the evil villain mustache guy.

He's great by the way. That actor and character is great. Very evil, very, very evil. He like cuts the skull open. Oh, gross. To like with, so like gross, heal the brain and stuff. That's a really good dream sequence. It's really good. He's got a bunch of snakes on, like a sword. I would be very proud to have, uh, come up with that.

Dream

Austin Lugo: sequence is great. It's one of the best sequences in the movie. It's all over the place. It's wild. It's gross. It's got great prop design. It's in a graveyard also, this kid, he falls asleep fucking anywhere. Like this man will just lay on the ground.

Andrew Harp: Yeah, that's a good point. He sleeps like on the floor everywhere.

I guess. He's just, he's, you know, he's a gang member. He is a rough int He's

Austin Lugo: a very tired man. He's, he's got a lot going

Andrew Harp: on in his life. But yeah, the scene at the diner is a very confusing scene. I mean,

Austin Lugo: I love it. I love the scene, but I have no idea what it has to do. The film at all or anything?

Andrew Harp: The point is that he's making a phone call at the diner to call the sister of his girlfriend, so he.

Get a meeting later to give her the stolen money. But for some reason there's this weird guy there who gets mad at the waitress for not putting out food for like God or something. I can only imagine. This is maybe Jim Van Bber, like trying to make like a comment about like religion or Christianity or something like that.

Probably like a guy who's supposedly Christian, but he's being annoying and kind of, uh, mean, you

Austin Lugo: know. I, uh, wrote down a couple of quotes from this scene because it's, it's so good. It's a baffling scene. The man says, go to the kitchen and make God some breakfast. You bitch. Yeah. It's so good. . And then the next thing he says is, I suppose if you had breakfast with the Lord, you'd make him pay dope.

What a strange moment in the film. I,

Andrew Harp: I love, it doesn't make any sense, but it's. It is just like something that happens at the diner that he's like taking the phone call, whatever. I guess it's so good. Who cares? Yeah, whatever. But my man Goose, he's going the train station. I'm telling you like I'm looking at these loca, like these locations are just, they suck.

Like . I should visit it sometime. I wonder how far it is from here. But yeah, they go to the train station and I mean this shit is abandoned. Like when was the last time a train went through there? I don. And yeah, he falls asleep on the ground there for some reason.

Austin Lugo: Again, just falling asleep everywhere.

He's falling asleep. This man needs to have sleep so much. It's dangerous. That's how people keep coming up on him. Sleeps too much and

Andrew Harp: they wake him up too. They do whatever. It's a whole group of them and they're gonna get him. Anyway, he's there. Goose wasn't expecting them there. They were able to follow him.

And I would say like the last part of the movie is quite amazing and exciting. It's a blast and they really go all out.

Austin Lugo: He is surrounded by the evil goons of the spiders. And they're ready to murder 'em. And they all have their own separate weapon, right? They're held their own expertise in whatever weapon or fighting style, but they are no match for Goose and his plethora of nunchucks and ninja stars and knives and other weaponry.

Andrew Harp: He's so cool. He beats up everybody. , he kills everybody. It's great. I love when he fights with these nunchucks and he like strangles that guy with the nunchucks, he doesn't even, yes. He like brutally strangles that guy and like blood. Everywhere He goes Crazy. He goes, ham. Yeah. I love when he kills, um, the crazy guy that killed his girlfriend.

That is so satisfying when he, like, he throws 'em off the bridge, , it's so

Austin Lugo: good. He throws 'em off the roof and. For some reason, they decide that when he hits the ground, he's gonna get run over by a car. And decapitated. . Yep. .

Andrew Harp: I lo that. That is so good to really nail in his death. Oh, it's so good. It'd be one thing if he just fell off the bridge.

No, he has to get hit by a car too. When he falls

Austin Lugo: and you watch watches. Super bloody head. Roll

Andrew Harp: away . And you really see the progression of the fighting cuz like Goose is getting more and more like caked in blood, like his face and everything. So gross just gets more and more fucked up. Yep. All the fighting is great and eventually his girlfriend's sister eventually shows up in the car and then the, the mustache evil guy, like, he like pushes himself into the car and is driving away.

And you have that crazy. Where he actually did, there's some crazy physical stuff that Jim Van be does in a movie. He like puts his arm through the window and he like, I think they probably tighten it as tight as they could on his arm. And he's like kind of like there, like holding up and they're driving around like pretty fast , like through these like

Austin Lugo: alleyways and

Andrew Harp: I mean, that's really him, you know?

That's wild. That's not like a stunt double or anything like

Austin Lugo: that. . No. No way. No, this. Throws himself basically onto a car and they drive the car into an alley and they're swerving and then his arm gets all ripped up. There's like all that fucking blood and all of that shit, and the girlfriend's sister comes the rescue and does a multiple.

Punches right to the penis. Yeah. .

Andrew Harp: Weird moment. Yeah. And then they have a fight. Goose in the, in the villain. Have a fight. It's a really good fight. Kinda reminds me of a John Carpenter movie. Lots of stabbing. Yeah. Lots of, he stabs goose several times. He like bites off his finger. Yeah. I watched a movie not too long ago where like, someone rips somebody's throat out.

I'm trying to remember what movie that was though. Oh, I think it was, uh, MacGruber. . He's constantly talking about like ripping some Oh no, what? You know what it. It was Roadhouse. Oh, okay. In Roadhouse, they talk about the fact that Patrick Swayze's character can like rip somebody's like throat out , and, uh, he does to like one of the main villain guys.

He like rips his throat out. By the way, Roadhouse, 1989, this movie, 1988. , they took it from them. Damn. That'd be a great double feature. Yeah. Both movies great. Both movies have, uh, throws being ripped out, but yeah, he rips out the fucking throat of the guy and it, there's just blood everywhere.

Austin Lugo: I've never seen that before.

I've never seen a movie where someone just rips out another man's throat. I didn't know you could do that. I didn't know. You could just,

Andrew Harp: I mean, think about it like .

Austin Lugo: I mean, I guess, I don't know. I

Andrew Harp: never, if you really, really wanted to, I think you. But I mean, that would be, that would be horrible. Yeah. I've seen two so far.

I can't think of a third movie, but yeah, I've seen at least two movies where a man gets his throat ripped out. It's wild, , and then, yeah, he just dies and then he just dies. He tells his sister like, I loved your sister and stuff, and then she runs away completely mortified of, can

Austin Lugo: you imagine being that woman?

Can you imagine? It's so funny, like just getting a random call from some guy who's like, I know your sister.

Andrew Harp: It was some guy. She doesn't even know who

Austin Lugo: the guy is. She's like, no, she has no idea. Who, she hasn't talked to her sister in like two years. Yeah.

Andrew Harp: And she's like, okay, . Yeah. And then she witnesses the most, the most abject violence of all time.

Yeah. She,

Austin Lugo: she gets a random call from a stranger. She shows up and accidentally hits a man with her car, then gets kidnapped, then punches a man in the penis. Then watches two men, beat the shit out of each other, murder each other. Then watches a man rip the throat out of another man, and then watches the other man die and is just handed a hundred thousand dollars, which she is of stolen money.

Andrew Harp: How do you react to that? What? What are you supposed to do? . She just runs away. Really?

Austin Lugo: That's it. Imagine just being a normal person. Just living your life. There's really like, no, um, no. That's the end of the movie. That's it.

Andrew Harp: Yeah. That's the end of the movie. He, he basically walks away and he like lays on the ground and he just dies.

He

Austin Lugo: just dies. He just

Andrew Harp: dies. Like, yeah. It's just a sad ending where , he dies. So that's pretty much the move. , everyone dies. Like pretty much every character dies. Yep. Except for the sister. They do that little cool thing where they have those like black and white photographs or whatever at the end. That was kind of unusual, but.

I

Austin Lugo: had no expectations going into this movie. I didn't know what the movie was really about other than the little that you told me, which is always the best way to go into a movie. I think going to a movie blind is the best experience to have, especially with a film like this. Very low budget, just kind of people doing their best shooting movies and Dayton, Ohio.

Always fun to see just a bunch of noname actors and people just really trying to make a movie and I really respect that. I really. People out there just doing what they can. Especially in the eighties when like shooting a film was so fucking hard and yeah, you had to fucking cut the actual film. Like there's just so much respect in making any sort of movie.

I don't think the movie itself for me was anything spectacular. I think. Some of it is very wild and insane and definitely some great special effects, especially for the budget and clearly everyone's putting their heart and soul into this. As I mentioned earlier, I think it's runs a along. There's a couple of scenes in this that just don't really go anywhere or don't really add anything of value to the film.

I think the film could have been cut down to a solid 60 minutes. And because of that, I found myself, especially in the first half of the film, just a bit bored. There just wasn't really a whole lot to hold onto. It's just kind of people wandering around whenever there's a fight scene or people doing karate or that kind of shit, that stuff's always super fun.

But whenever they're not doing that, it just felt a little slow to me, a little dull. So overall, I'm gonna give this movie a very solid five out of.

Andrew Harp: I think like in terms of like low budget movies that are made by just, yeah, like regular people. Like in day Ohio, this is probably like the best result that you can maybe hope for.

I really, really love the movie. I think it's quite tactile. I think it's quite well made and I really found the movie to be quite moving. I found it to be very beautiful. I don't think it's more than just as action. I think it has a lot going on under the surface. Then maybe some people might give it credit.

I really like was kind of like moved by some of the story beats and the creation itself in terms of it being made with no money and probably took forever to make. I think I agree that the second half is maybe a little bit better than the first half because it really like ramps up in energy and craziness and it's totally rapid, rad, and just violent.

That last action scene is amazing. I don't know, I think that this movie. Go toe-to-toe with any quote unquote high budget movie. Obviously it's derivative of a lot of other movies that we've mentioned, which is fine cause at least you know, it's in a, it is in an interesting location. It's made by people and has people in it that you don't really see very often.

So it's interesting in that way. I would describe the movie as quite beautiful and quite amazing. It's just the best. Movie that you could hope for given their technical and like, given all their limitations. So yeah, I'm, I'm thinking, uh, eight outta 10 for sure.

Austin Lugo: All right, y'all, thank you for listening. You can find everything I do at Austin Lugo 12.

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