Spielberg and some other stuff too

Austin and Andrew discuss a belated holiday season and all the films that come with it.

Austin Lugo: All right, we're back. What have you been up to?

Andrew Harp: I don't know. There's nothing much, ma'am. Just, you know. It's the holiday, so I've just been watching some Christmas movies here and there. Nothing really worth talking about. Just we'd like to watch like the really shitty ones,

Austin Lugo: like the Netflix original shitty

Andrew Harp: ones.

Yeah, like the Netflix original Hallmark ones. Like, we'll, we'll put those on and we'll like do like other things, you know, and just to kind of have it on the background and laugh at, but you know, they're not worth talking about or even mention. I guess if there's one holiday movie that I thought was like interesting was of the 2000 John Frankenheimer directed film, reindeer Games starring Ben Affleck and Charlie Theon and Gary Sinise.

Not a bad movie. It's all right. I didn't think it was amazing, but I didn't think it was a terrible movie. The writing isn't very good, but it is a Frankenheimer movie, so if you're a Frankenheimer Completionist, you're gonna have to watch it. But I don't know if you're looking for kind of like a Heisty action Christmas movie, reindeer Games is probably one of the better ones you could watch.

Ben Affleck plays an affable guy who gets outta prison and he kind of gets wrapped up in like this thing where he has to like help these criminals who thinks he's someone else rob a casino. And so it's kind of funny and silly and Ben Affleck kind of like, uh, pulls one over on them a few times, which is k kind of satisfying to watch.

Once again, I, I think that the like dialogue and the writing itself was kind of not great. The writer who wrote this movie went on to create for a Top Gun Maverick and some top Transformers movies and stuff like that. I think it's worth watching. Like I said, it's not amazing, but it's definitely worth a watch during the holiday season.

I think it's, I think it's pretty good. It's got everything you would want in a movie like this, given the time period and

Austin Lugo: those attached to it. So high standard. Such great

Andrew Harp: praise. I don't really care about Christmas movies all that much. There's some holiday standbys that I like, but I mean, we're just kind of watching stuff we haven't seen before.

Austin Lugo: Speaking of theatrical experiences, I decided that. On Tuesdays. I'm gonna go to the movie theater now because I need that in my life. So this week I had a couple decisions to make of what I was gonna see in theaters. I thought about seeing Luca's new film, bones and all. I thought about seeing Wakanda forever, but at the end of the day, I saw Steven Spielbergs the Fables.

Yeah, I read your letter box review,

Andrew Harp: but yeah.

Austin Lugo: The Felman seems like it would be the perfect film for me because I love movies about movies. I love the whole movie industry. I think Spielberg's done some really great films. I don't think anyone's gonna argue with that. I don't necessarily love the films everyone else loves from Spielberg.

But I do think he's done some spectacular work and deserves a lot of respect. And I just have a lot of respect, not only for him as a filmmaker, but just as him as a film historian and someone who loves movies. You know, someone who grew up loving movies and I truly admire that. So coming into Fable Man's, I had perhaps unfairly very high expectations cuz you got one of the greats making, uh, basically an autobiographical film about his childhood.

There's some great performances in this. Paul Dan l is great as a Mr. Felman as his nerd dad. Seth Rogan is in this movie. Did not know that , I, I did not know that, uh, Seth Rogan would be in this movie. He does a very good job. He plays Uncle Benny, which I mean, without spoiling anything, he basically, uncle Benny is like, they're kind of like a throuple, but the dad's kind of purposely unaware of it.

It's not necessarily a coupled situation, but it's kind of pretty much that, and it's a strange relationship between the three, between his parents and his uncle. So it's not his real uncle, they just call him Uncle Benny, but it's really like their friend. It's supposedly, uh, Mr. Fable Man's best friend Benny.

But it's very clear that Benny and Mrs. Felman have a, not necessarily sexual relationship, but something very close to it. And that's sort of the main conflict of the film. And of course as, uh, Spielberg makes very clear in all of his films, the divorce of his parents was. The worst thing to ever happen.

Yep. Obviously my experience with divorced parents is very different because my parents got divorced when I was, I mean, they, they separated on the day of my birth, so, you know, I don't , he was a teenager. So it's, it's a very different experience. I'm sure it's

Andrew Harp: evident in the movie that like his parents are as big as heroes or whatever.

Austin Lugo: This film is very interesting because as simultaneously paints his father as almost God-like, uh, in his kindness and just like him as a person, like his father might as well be God himself. Honestly, like there he can do no wrong. He is a pure genius. I think for a while

Andrew Harp: Spielberg didn't talk to his dad because he was upset with him because he thought like, I don't know, his dad was, did something wrong, or something

Austin Lugo: like that.

That's so fascinating because the way. He paints his parents is strange. The way he paints his mom is not in a very good light. It, it's really strange though because in the film, the mother figure is perhaps the biggest supporter of Steven Spielberg's dreams of, you know, the kids' dreams. She's always supporting, you know, his love for movies.

She's the one who introduces him to a camera and takes him to a movie theater and all of these things, and yet at the same time, she is often the villain of the film. Like she's often the one blamed for the separation of the two. Like in the film she is, The person who steps out, so to speak, on his father.

And it's hard to gauge the relationship between these three characters. And it is a very complex relationship and I, I think they do a good job of that, but I don't think he necessarily does any favors for his parents. They don't end up, they're dead, so it's

Andrew Harp: okay. Yeah.

Austin Lugo: like, you probably wouldn't wanna make this film if your parents were still alive because it does not paint them in a great light.

I mean, the dad does look like he's basically perfect, except his one flaw in the film is that he doesn't believe that filmmaking is an actual career. Like he thinks it's like a hobby, but like that's a fair assumption to make. Like most people don't make movies like the dad's just trying to be like, Hey, you know, movies are great.

And the mom, I don't know if she's supposed to be likable, but I find myself absolutely hating the character, like just despising her. She's just, personally, I find her to be the absolute worst, just like this incredibly selfish, egocentric person who cares for no one but herself. . And even though like supposedly, you know, loves her kids more than anyone, there's even this scene in the film where she's cooking breakfast for the kids and she starts bawling and begging for the forgiveness from her son, not because she actually wants to be forgiven.

Like not because like she realizes that she's done something wrong. Which, I mean, has she, that's questionable. But like she's so obsessed with being loved with being. that she can't see anything beyond herself. Like she doesn't actually give a shit about her kids. She just wants her kids to like her. I mean, the scene literally ends with her like begging to be forgiven.

Not because she wants to be a better person, but just like she needs that in her life to constantly be forgiven. It's, I don't know, like how accurate these depictions of his parents are, but it doesn't matter. But in the film, the mother character is kind of a bitch. It's she's, she's not a very likable character.

Kind of an awful person. Sounds good. I wanna watch it now. Visually it's a bit underwhelming. I. Steven Spielberg is best in spectacle. I think that's where he does his best work, and I think he knows that. I think that's why, you know, some of his Grace films are films about spectacles. You know, these larger than life incidents, and you can tell that with a kind of smaller film like this in which.

Most of the film is kind of just people sitting around talking. He struggles a bit. I don't think this is his area of expertise necessarily. I think there are some directors who can do a very good job of it and some directors that struggle more with it. And that doesn't mean either director is a better director or worse director.

They're just different types of directors. And I found this film visually. Unexciting just because it, he's just not very good at filming these kind of things. It's just not his area of expertise. And then as I wrote in the letter box review, my biggest complaint with the film is that, There really is no inciting incident.

There is nothing pushing this film forward. It's kind of just a series of events and when a film's two and a half hours long and there's nothing pushing the film forward, it drags. I mean, I, I really wanna love this film. I really do.

Andrew Harp: Definitely the most in. View the most controversial film of the year.

I've seen some people say that they love it, they think it's great. I've seen some people say that it's just okay, and I've seen some people say that it's really bad. Probably the most controversial film of the year, at least from my perspective.

Austin Lugo: Yeah, it's, I can understand why people love it and the very least love the idea of it.

I find all of this stuff at the high school, cause there's a lot, a lot of high school stuff. Pretty dumb. It's pretty saccharin and you know, it's one of those movies where like all of the evil teenagers are evil for like, no reason. They're just like shitty people. But there's no, yeah, there's no reason for them to be shitty people like they just are.

And there's nothing to elaborate beyond that. Like there's no reason. , why these people are shitty. They're just shitty. And you know, maybe that's just how like Spielberg like sees the world. Like, you know, there are certainly people who think like some people are just shitty people and some people aren't.

Of course, I'm more of the, uh, David Lynch philosophy where. You know, evilness is sort of this effervescence almost that you know isn't in any individual person, but rather like takes over people or something. I think that's a much more interesting idea. But nevertheless, I have to admit, I spent pretty much all the film waiting for the John Ford scene.

I didn't know when it was gonna happen. It's the very last scene in the movie. So , if you go into this film waiting for the David Lynch, John Ford scene, you're gonna have to wait the whole film. And I kept, I kept waiting for it. Like I was so excited for this moment.

Andrew Harp: Is it this, this is a fucking story where Steven Spielberg, um, is talking to John Ford and John Ford points out the horizon on the painting.

Yeah. Yeah. I've heard Spielberg's tell that

Austin Lugo: story before. It's a great.

Andrew Harp: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's

Austin Lugo: a good story. David Lynch was perfect. He looks like fucking shit. Like he's got like this eye patch, he's like super skinny. He's got these baggy clothes. He looks so fucking old and he's just smoking a cigar. And we've talked about this before, but in the scene, Felman walks in and he's like, oh, Mr.

John Ford. Like, I'm so excited. And basically all John four goes, he goes, look at that picture. And so he looks at the picture and he is like, describe it to me. And like, he tries to describe, and he's like, no, no, no. Where's the horizon? He's like, oh, it's at the bottom. He's like, good now go look at that picture.

And he tries describing it and he is like, no, no, no. Where's the horizon? He's like, that's the top . And then of course he goes, if the horizon's at the top, that's interesting. If the horizon's at the bottom, that's interesting, horizon's in the middle and her put in the middle, that's not interesting. Now get the fuck out.

And that's the, that's the final. Scene in the movie and it's classic John Ford's story. Classic. John Ford . I love it. Yeah. Good

Andrew Harp: story. Yeah. Gotta, he had to put it, Steven Spielberg loved this story so much. He had to put it in film. He had to forever immortalize it. ,

Austin Lugo: maybe. My big disappointment with this is perhaps I was kind of hoping we would see Spielberg in kind of his early coming of age, like becoming a filmmaker.

But the thing about this film is there's not really any of that. Like the film ends before Spielberg gets into any sort of filmmaking. Like he does some like stuff as he's a kid, which mm-hmm. honestly, to be like 15 and to make a film in the 1960. Very impressive. Like the amount of work involved and equipment and having to fucking cut and glue like literal film together as a 15 year old.

Very impressive. Like I'm very impressed with the fact that young Steven Spielberg was able to purchase the equipment. Cause you need like fucking fancy ass equipment. Yeah, he, he started really young, according to the film. He started shooting, you know, movies when he is like 10 or 12 years old. And then he started working for

Andrew Harp: television, I think really early.

I don't think you think he ever went to school or anything like Yeah, I think he made short films. You know, he made like films when he was a kid and then he started like making films and working on them for not films, but for television episodes. And then I think, yeah, he was working on TV when he met, uh, John Ford, um, I think, and then he moved on to films.

So

Austin Lugo: in the film, pretty much everything takes place during his pivotal years in middle school and high school. And then he graduates from high school and then like jumps to a year later and he's living in Los Angeles with his. and he doesn't have a job and he's just dropped outta school and they have the John Ford meeting, but you don't get to see like any of the stuff.

Like he's not hired onto any television show or, you know, he's not working like in the film industry at all. I guess I kind of wanted to see that kind of stuff. Cause that's the kind of like, when I think of like biographies or, you know, visual biopics, the parts I always find the most interesting are, as we've talked about before, these sort of, uh, climbing to the top, you know, the sort of like starting at the bottom.

Working your way to the top. I always find that stuff to be the most interesting part of these kind of, uh, stories. And you don't get that in this, which is, I mean, it's just not that type of film and that's fine. But I don't know. I'm glad I saw in theaters. I think it would be disrespectful to see the Fable men's.

Not in theaters because it is Spielberg. So I'm glad I got to support, uh, Spielberg in this way. The theater was absolutely packed at 1:00 PM on a Tuesday, which is insane. Here we go. The movies are back. The movies are back, baby. I mean, I was the youngest person. No, they're

Andrew Harp: not . I think all the movies that are out right now are losing money.

They're not back. They're actually the

Austin Lugo: opposite back. That's not a good business model for people who own a movie theater. , maybe for, for giant theaters or, yeah, I'm, I'm talking about

Andrew Harp: movies. Movies. Not movie theaters. The movie business, they need to make better movies or at least ones that people wanna watch.

Austin Lugo: Yeah. Overall, I just wish it was a better film. You should, you should go.

Andrew Harp: No, I'll go see it. I'll, I'll eventually go see it. It's probably more interesting. Bones and all's probably a better movie, but Fable Man's is probably more

Austin Lugo: interesting. I feel that. I feel that for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I only

Andrew Harp: saw one movie in theater.

Well, you know, I saw one movie in theaters this week. Went to the, went to the speed cinema. We saw, uh, decision relief by park chain. Yeah, it's really good. Definitely one of the better movies that came out this year for sure. You know, I expected a certain level of quality and, you know, you, you get it, it's a Vertigo remix, so similar kind of thing going on.

It's kind of hard to talk about just cuz it's like, you know, I'm not gonna spoil or go into any pot specifics or anything, but, you know, it's just a well-engineered movie. Just the level and the amount of filmmaking techniques that are in it is just, I don't know, it's kind of hard to even. Even quantify, it's just a movie that just progresses perfectly and you know, from a story and filmmaking perspective, and you're constantly surprised and wowed by different, you know, filmmaking techniques that he uses, different special effects that he uses.

And I don't know, it's just kind of one of those movies where, and this might be a good or bad thing depending on your perspective, but, It's just good. It just kind of has a lot going on and despite it being almost two and a half hours, it didn't feel too long, and I really do recommend people go and see it.

It's a Korean film like we talked about with Lady Vengeance. It's just, it is a very surprising kind of propulsive story and plot and characters and crazy shit happens and it's super dramatic and the decisions that people make in the movie are crazy, you know, to the point where, you know, I'm like laughing a lot.

There's a lot of, it's pretty funny too. I think there's a lot of funny stuff that happens in it as well, and I don't know, it's just a very romantic. Extremely well-made, almost like Nauseatingly well-made movie. Once again, I'm not gonna go in specifics. Like I said, it's kind of a vertigo sort of thing.

And yeah, just, you know, one of the better movies of the year for sure. Where

Austin Lugo: does it rank, uh, among his films? Where would you put it? I've only seen like what, like

Andrew Harp: four or five? Four or five of his movies. Maybe like a little bit, I don't know, like maybe Old Boy's. My favorite, maybe I might even put it above or around Lady Vengeance, but I think Old Boy and Handmaid in are a little bit better than those movies.

But honestly like Old Boy Handmaid in Decision to Leave Lady Vengeance, all those movies I think are for the most part pretty. Comparable

Austin Lugo: and quality. They're not showing that anywhere around here, so I won't be able to, to see that and see theirs , they're only showing the Fable Men's at one theater, so like I was luck.

Lucky enough to be able to see that. That's so crazy that

Andrew Harp: just like I, it is just crazy. It's New Chief and Spielberg movie and it's just, they're not really playing it very many

Austin Lugo: places. It's terrible. I mean, honestly, if I wasn't into films, I probably wouldn't have liked the films, so I understand why I would not say the Fable Men's has a, a wide amount of people who would love the film.

I guess it's pretty niche

Andrew Harp: and specific. It's not really like a West Side Store remake or, or a Jurassic Park sequel, which has a very wide appeal, I guess, but I think the Fatman still has a wider appeal than people think

Austin Lugo: it could have. Yeah, no, absolutely. I agree. And you know what, there was almost, I don't remember seeing a single trailer for the Fable Men's and I go to the movie theater almost every week.

I don't see a single trailer for the men's. I don't know why there's like no marketing around the film. I don't know. It's weird. I don't underst. The only other film I watched, which I'm pretty sure we didn't talk about last week, was me and my gal. It's a 1932,

Andrew Harp: typical 1930s movie

Austin Lugo: title, typical 1930s film.

It's very okay. There's not a whole lot going for it. Spencer Tracy's in it and he's great. Early Spencer Tracy, all of the stuff Spencer Tracy does like as a, he's like this bumbling detective. All the stuff he does is great and is really funny. Very enjoyable. But then there's this whole other plot line about like this bank robbery going down very badly.

Done . It's arguably the most boring bank robbery I have ever seen. Like I've never been more bored by people robbing a bank. You would think like robbing a bank is a fundamentally interesting activity. Like it could not be boring. It, it's, you're robbing a bank. It has to be interesting, like at a fundamental level that would be wrong.

You would be wrong to think that because. Bank robbery in this film is so boring and the whole plot line. Dumb and saccharin and honestly, just a little bit silly, but not silly in like enjoyable, funny way, just kind of stupid. Honestly, the only way to describe it, but if you're a Spencer Tracy fan, I think you would like this film.

But if you don't like Spencer Tracy, there's no reason to watch this film because Spencer Tracy's the only thing going for this film, like everything else about the film is just. At best. I mean it, it's fine. There's no like, no like great gags. It's visually just like a very typical 1930s film, so there's nothing really going in that lane.

Writing wise, it's fine. There's nothing really like that clever about it. I wouldn't suggest you watch Andrew. I do not think you would like it. Yeah, I do not think you would. You would like the experience . Okay. Yeah. If you love films from the thirties and forties, Give it a watch, but there are so many better films, uh, of this era.

It feels like a film at a time, like even though it was made in 1932, other than the fact that there's sound, it might as well be made in like 1922. Like there's no real artistry and the visual aspects of it. It, it's fine a, as far as movies goes, it is one them. Cool. That's just a glowing

Andrew Harp: recommendation.

The only other movie, uh, uh, I guess for me, the only other movie worth talking about was, uh, this, uh, middle Eastern kind of war movie called sira. It's a two thousands movie that came out in, uh, 2005 Director Enri by this guy named Stephen Gagan. And, uh, he went on to, he wrote traffic. That Sodaberg movie, which I'd never seen before.

And he also wrote and directed the Smash, the 2020 Smash. Hit Doolittle starring Robert Downey Jr. . So that was a big hit for him, but he wrote and directed this movie and from 2005 Stars, a bunch of fucking people. I've never seen traffic, but I guess in traffic, what it does is that it kind of jumps around to a lot of different characters who are in a lot of different places.

And Syriana does the exact same thing. And there's not really like, there's kinda like three main characters, basical. But it's definitely one of the more interesting and better, two thousands kind of mid middle Eastern war movies that I've seen in that there's really no vi very little violence in it.

There are no battles. There's no war. Stuff the, there's like an explosion right at the beginning of the movie. There's a thing where George Clooney gets tortured. There's a couple explosions here and there throughout the movie, but it's a movie that is like more focused, and I could see some people not liking this at all, but it's a movie that's more focused on a lot of like the boring aspects of this stuff.

It's a very hard to understand movie because there's a lot of like jingo getting thrown around about like the oil and like oil industry and. Money and like just kind of energy trading and stuff like that. And it, it kind of, a lot of it does go over your head to the point where that might just be a detriment to someone.

I could see some people reading the title and reading the description, seeing the poster and turning it on, and then halfway through they're just like, I have no idea what's going on. So you really gotta pay attention to it. And even then I was paying attention to it and I was still having a hard time cuz it's just like, I don't understand, but it's just like a movie about the intersection between like the oil business.

The United States and like Cheeks, or I think that's what they're called, um, like in the Middle East. So just the intersection of all these different things of like terrorists, the cia, the oil business, you know, the United States government of course, and like leaders in the Middle East too, like pe very powerful people who live there.

And now they kind of like all intersect and interact with each other. That's really what the movie's all about. You know, people who have like competing interests. It's just very realistic. It's not jingoistic. It's not racist. There's some like evil people in the movie, but no one looks comically evil in the movie.

Once again, though, it's, it's a kind of an ambiguous movie. It's really sad by the end because it's, it feels just completely, it's like everything is so outta control. Not the greatest directed movie ever either. This movie is all about the writing. It's all. The interactions between these different like groups and different individuals.

But if you're looking for something that's super duper exciting and explosive and has like gunfights and you know, fighter jets and stuff like that, like you're probably gonna be really disappointed. I just think it's one of the better, like two thousands kind of like, you know, middle Eastern war movies just because like, I don't know, it feels really honest.

It's very critical. But not o obviously. So it is kind of tough to sit through a little bit, in my opinion, but I think by the time the movie wraps up the, the effect i, I is, uh,

Austin Lugo: clear. That's, that sounds like a intriguing yet complicated film.

Andrew Harp: Don't watch it like to be like, yep, I wanna watch like a war movie.

It's an oil business movie about oil and like, you know, we gotta build pipelines. It's

Austin Lugo: just like, uh, interesting that, that sounds. An intriguing experience. I might, I might put that on the, on the watch list.

Andrew Harp: I, I barely recommend it just because I think most people would be really bored given everybody's attention spans, but it's still a good movie.

everybody in the movie is good. You know, the, it kind of has like three main characters, George Clooney, Matt Damon, and Jeffrey Wright. But there are also other characters that the movie focuses on that it will jump to outside of those three characters. But there, the, those three characters are the ones on the movie poster, at least on the one on letter boxed.

But yeah, George Clooney's good. His, uh, story is particularly, uh, I guess, sad or, you know, tragic. Matt Damon also has a sad story in the movie as. I don't know how much else to say about it. It's just kind of, it's not an easy one, but it's, it's, I think, I think it says a lot of stuff.

Austin Lugo: Speaking about something that is an easy watch.

I've gotten through almost all of better call Saul. I'm on season four, season six isn't on Netflix, and I haven't gotten to it yet, but it's not anything yet, which makes me worried. It's not gonna be on anything for a while, and then I'm just gonna completely forget about the show and never finish it because that's what happens.

You

Andrew Harp: just buy it or just like rent

Austin Lugo: it somewhere. I don't love it that much. I don't know if I love enough to pay for it. I don't think I've ever rented a TV show before or even illegally downloaded a TV show before. I mean, movies, that's one thing, but I don't even like directly watch it, like I turn it on when I'm working, so I, I don't even actually see the screen very much, which whenever there's episodes with Mike, which are the best episodes, because there are episodes that are basically just Mike.

There's very little talking. So it can't be a little challenging for me to understand what's going on at those moments. Because Mike doesn't talk much. He's just, again, one of the best characters from Breaking Bad and one of the best characters in Better Call Saul, at least like once a season, they'll do an episode that's just Mike.

Like, it's just Mike doing his shit, uh, getting involved with fucking drug dealers and all this, and it's great. Everything Mike does is great. All those three lines are great as far as better calls, all. The first season I still think is really boring and is honestly a slog to get through. Season two definitely picks up and I would say season three.

So far I'm on, I just started season four, so I can't speak out season four yet, but I'd say so far, season three is the best season. One of the interesting things they do at the show that I don't know if I like or not is the very first episode of each season they start with him in Nebraska, in Omaha, Nebraska.

as like a, the manager of a syon and each season like it's a little bit longer, right? In season one it's only like a five minute thing, but like by season four it's like probably a third of the first episode takes place in Omaha and that stuff I would really like to see more of. I can tell that like in the final season, they do a lot.

Yeah, I think. I think you're gonna get that. Yes, I'm really interested by it. But I guess my big complaint with the pretty cool aspect of. , which I think prequels can be fine and there's plenty of good ones, but my biggest complaint is I'm now in season four and Saul Goodman is yet to work with any sort of illegal entity.

Like he's still just a lawyer. Like we're, we're four seasons into a show about, you know, the famous lawyer who worked with the, you know, Jesse and fucking Yeah. Walter White, Mr. White. And he's still yet to work in like the drug industry or like any of this shit. That's cool. It's very well written. It looks great.

There's some great editing, but I think the reason why it isn't as good as Breaking Bad is because Breaking Bad from the very beginning had like this one overarching goal. Walter White's gonna cook meth and then he is gonna die of cancer. It doesn't have that. And I get that they're kind of doing the that with the black and white Nebraska, Omaha stuff, but it's only in the first episode of each season.

So like the rest of the season, there's nothing. There, there's no like overarching pushing thing and that makes it a little bit more challenging. I don't know if I'd be able to watch Better Call Saul if it was just like a show. I sat down and watched, like I don't know if I'd be able to get through all five seasons of just sitting down and watching it.

Not that it's bad, it's just he's not doing any illegal shit . It's just honestly like it's, it's mostly just a lawyer show and like every now and then he'll do like something like really like illegal and cool and he'll be like, ah shit, why isn't that the show? And there's not really any good answer to that because like what better call someone suggesting is like when Jesse and Walter White meet Saul Goodman, he's only been doing like illegal activity for like a couple of years at most.

So like why is he so. Good at it. By the time that isn't breaking bad because like at this point in Better Call Saul, we're like two years away. Cause I know in the final season, like they, he meets with them so he is gotta start doing the illegal shit soon. But what's basically being suggested is like, I don't know, I guess for me, I always imagined Bob Oden, Kirk's character, Saul Goodman as like this master criminal lawyer who's been doing this for like 20 years.

You know what I mean? He like, he knows a. But in Better Call Saul, like it's, we're like two years away from him meeting with Heisman himself and he is still just like a regular lawyer. Like he's just doing regular lawyer shit, which if you like lawyer shows cuz there's like a million of them. It's definitely better than most of them.

Like it's definitely like a top tier lawyer show. . But I guess, I guess honestly my biggest complaint with it is it, I didn't sign up for a lawyer show. I wanted like a breaking bad kind of show. You know? I'm like, like, like that's what I signed up for. Like that's like, you see all the characters, right? You see, you see Mike, you see uh, who's the guy who runs Los Polio?

Sumos, I can't remember his name. Gus. He's finally in it. Like once he gets in in season three, like that's great. All of his stuff is amazing. But Sal Goodman's just doing regular. and it's, it's really disappointing. I mean, Mike's totally badass and you know, he's doing some badass shit and just an old man beating people up and killing people and it's great and I love it.

And they do spend a lot of time with Mike and his family, which is another great storyline. I think that's the one good thing about the first season is Mike has this storyline where his son is murdered and they think he's murdered because he's a corrupt. But the actual fact is, is everyone else on the force is a corrupt cop, and he's the only one that's not a corrupt cop.

When I

Andrew Harp: started watching Better Call Saul, I, I saw that part as well.

Austin Lugo: How far into better call Saul did you get?

Andrew Harp: I think I got like a little bit over halfway through the first season or something

Austin Lugo: like that. Okay. Yeah, I, I don't know. It, it's great to have in the background. Because there's a lot of like good like writing, so it's great to listen to, but there's some very good editing involved.

But I guess it's strange because honestly like the people who love Breaking Bad, I don't think would love Better Call Saul. And I think the people who love Better Call Saul wouldn't necessarily like breaking bad visually. You can tell. that they're made by the same people, but the vibes are very different between the two.

More so than you would expect, which for better or for worse, but I don't think there's gonna be a lot of people who love Breaking Bad and Love Better Call Saul. I think most people are gonna be either one or the other, which, you know, to each their own, they're just very different shows. Yeah, I agree. Is that it?

I think that's it. That's it, . All right, y'all. Thank you for listening, and until next time,

Andrew Harp: thanks

Austin Lugo: again.